Meher Baba

Krishna was an Avatar, and he Realised and brought down 17 people who were outside his circle. These 17 were extra God-realised Saliks.

9 December 1927, Meherabad, LM3 p1002

If you read the life of Krishna, you will find that he often said, did and ordered things which seemed to go contrary to common sense. He used to tell one thing to one person, and contradictory things to other persons, and used to give different orders to different people at the same time...

He was Perfect and one with God, and so found himself in everything and everyone. And so he had to use different methods for different things and people...

Krishna made the two armies fight, and ordered Arjuna to kill the enemy. Arjuna said, 'I can't kill my own brothers,' and Krishna replied, 'Do as I tell you.' But Arjuna would not listen. Then Krishna said, 'Look into my face,' and Krishna opened his mouth, and Arjuna saw in it all his brothers and relatives whom he had not wanted to kill. So then he took up his bow and started killing them. But Krishna said, 'If you had full faith in me, you would never have doubted or asked questions.' And then he delivered the lecture which is now known as the Bhagavad Gita.

18 July 1933, Portofino, Italy, TK p381-382

When Krishna ordered Arjuna to kill the Kauravas, Arjuna hesitated and then refused, asking Krishna, 'How can I slaughter my own brothers?'

Krishna opened his mouth, and asked Arjuna to look inside. Arjuna saw that Krishna's mouth contained the whole universe, including millions of Kauravas, who looked like clouds, but then vanished from sight.

This then convinced Arjuna of Krishna's mighty powers, and he plunged into battle, killing many. This event made Arjuna have full faith in Krishna.

Then Krishna showed him his Universal body, which contained all living and inert forms. To see this is called Virat Darshan -- gigantic sight. This is not real darshan, it is only the darshan of the Master's Universal body. The Avatar also has a Universal mind, to which all the individual minds in the universe have a connection.

From this incident you will come to know that even the closest disciples of a Master misunderstand his work. To convince and create faith in them, Masters have to resort to performing miracles. That is why Krishna did what he did.

18 July 1933, Portofino, Italy, LM5 p1797-1798

At the time of Krishna, the Hindus were fighting each other. Envy and greed were predominant. The real conception of spiritual life and love was unknown to them. Krishna based his teachings on the laws of love and pure and innocent merriment. Human beings were directed joyfully towards a disinterested* ideal of love.

29 June 1934, London, HM p443
(also MJ 2:6 p354-355, LM6 p1881)

*disinterested: unbiased by personal interest or
advantage; not influenced by selfish motives

Sahaj samadhi is the Sadguru samadhi. It is Avatar samadhi. The seventh plane, fana fillah, is Nirvikalpa samadhi. When one comes down from the seventh plane, one gets Sahaj samadhi. Sahaj means automatic, natural. In this Sahaj samadhi one eats, drinks, talks, plays and moves about, but all the time he is in samadhi.

Krishna, when he was drawing his bow and using his sword on the battlefield killing people, was in Sahaj Samadhi. When he was talking he was in Samadhi.

23 April 1937, Nasik, Aw 16:2 p51

When I see these places, I remember my old habitats. They are like my old, well-remembered haunts. Here was where I used to play with the gopis and steal milk and curds. Here I played my flute. And here my Radha would come running to me.

27 January 1939, Mathura/Gokul/Vrindavan, LM7 p2374

Perfection includes all perfections, but there is no need to express them.

Krishna was perfect spiritually. That means he was perfect in everything. But he never showed his perfection materially, because the material manifestation of perfection has no meaning, and is in the realm of illusion.

He could have shown himself a perfect drunkard, a perfect sinner, a perfect rogue. But that would have shocked the world. So he did not express that. He was a perfect drunkard, perfect sinner, perfect rogue, perfect in everything. He must have been, because he was, above all, perfect God.

May? 1939, Jabalpur, LM7 p2419

The perfect man is not bound by any rule or limited ideal. He is beyond good and bad. But his law for those who are good gives good reward. And for those who are bad, it responds in their own coin.

Krishna proved to Arjuna, who was his devotee, that his apparently bringing about the physical and mental annihilation of the Kauravas, who were vicious, was for their spiritual salvation.

Perfection might manifest itself through killing or saving according to the spiritual demands of the situation. The heart of the Perfect One is at once soft like butter and hard like steel.

1939? Di v1 p75-76

I as Krishna ordered Arjuna to kill. As Christ I told Peter to give his other cheek to be slapped. But the truth underlying both is the same. Haven't people changed since then? People are not advanced, but changed. The world is now going back to its barbarous attitude, and so over and over again it is life's changes.

But what Krishna teaches in the Gita is divine, goes deep down. It says you can become God if you love me, follow me, surrender to me. There is no other way. Disciples must do as the Master orders, not imitate.

Arjuna took up his bow willingly and obeyed, knowing with perfect knowledge that he was not killing. Detached, he had to do this for their spiritual good. No lust for killing, nor duty, but pure detachment to do Krishna's work.

If you are a perfect follower of nonviolence -- you give an oath that you would not hurt anything - and if you saw one dog killing three cats, what would you do? Kill the dog? If you stood aside, you would kill the three cats. What, Elizabeth, what would you do? If you keep silent, you are helping to kill the three cats. If you kill the dog, you are violent.

There is a tiger amongst a herd of cattle, and you have a gun in your house that you do not touch because of your oath of nonviolence. You know you can kill the tiger and save the herd. What would you do? Kill the tiger, detached. This is what Krishna teaches: do not follow violence or nonviolence, just be detached. You must kill for the good of the herd. In the case of Arjuna, it was for the spiritual good of others, who were like tigers of lust and greed.

June? 1939, Meherabad, LA p276-277 (also LM7 p2434)

Had Krishna not brought about that war, he would not have given the Gita, because everyone was in the mood to fight. Had he said 'Don't fight,' nobody would have listened to him. When he said 'Fight,' he brought the real meaning of truth into the world.

June? 1939, Meherabad
GM p134-135

All relations of those who are with me, whether they know me or not, or even if they do not believe in me, get salvation. Krishna has said, 'Seventy-two generations of such lucky ones get Liberation -- Mukti.'

27 November 1940, Ceylon, LM7 p2643

Why did Krishna wash Sudama's feet and drink the water? Because of Sudama's love. He washed, not the feet, but the love of Sudama, and drank its waters.

11 March 1942, Dehra Dun? LM8 p2769

Krishna said, 'Act, but do not care for the results. Dedicate them to me.' Why? Because the atmosphere then was full of warring spirits.

17 May 1943, Meherabad, LM8 p2887

Krishna had to convince Arjuna that he was in every being, and that none died -- all were dead already. Then what Arjuna did was action without action.

29 June 1951, Hyderabad, LM10 p3715

...The strife between the Kauravas and the Pandavas, and the consequent bloodshed, was not only due to the divine sense of humor in Krishna, but its height was reached when Krishna himself died through an arrow that accidently struck one of his legs from the bow of an ordinary hunter who never had any intention of harming the ranglila (playful) Avatar in any way.

4 November 1952, Meherabad, GG3 p156

In the distant past, as Krishna, I died physically when I was accidently shot with an arrow.

November 1955? Meherabad, LH p258

Although the whole universe is illusion, yet it is governed by a law, a definite law, and that law deals with every detail. We cannot escape from the law of karma. But when we transcend illusion, the law does not bind us any longer...

Krishna said the same thing to Arjuna: 'Kill your relatives, kill your friends,' in the battle of Kurukshetra. You must have heard about that famous battle.

Arjuna refused, saying, 'How can I kill my own kith and kin?'

Krishna then said, 'I am above the law. The whole creation is from me, has come out of me. Obey me, and you will not be bound.'

26 July 1956, Myrtle Beach, Aw 4:3 p38 Also HM p261

Krishna was happy in the company of light-hearted gopis -- the cowherd companions. Was not Pendya, a lame gopi, very dear to Krishna?

8 December 1957, Poona, Aw 19:2 p4

Krishna was the first Avatar to institute the custom of prasad. Once he was in the company of four companions, or lovers, and a Rishi who lived in the mountain fastnesses came for Krishna's prasad. He had lived so long in meditation that his eyelashes grew downwards, and ants made their home on his body. Krishna replied that prasad was for his lovers, and none else. This consisted of laddhu, or Indian sweetmeat balls. At last the Rishi, who was very intelligent, begged Krishna's favorite disciple Pendya, who was a cripple, to ask Krishna for him. This Krishna permitted, because he was the slave of his lovers, and as a result the Rishi gained Illumination.

28 May 1958, Myrtle Beach
GM p339

prasad: a gift, usually fruit or sweets, from a Master to an aspirant
Illumination: the conscious experience of the sixth plane, in which one sees God face to face continually, everywhere and in everything

Virat Swaroop darshan which Arjuna had was not the real darshan. It was just darshan of Universal body. Also, in Virat Swaroop darshan, there is fear. That is why Arjuna felt afraid...

In real darshan there is ever-renewing bliss. There is no fear. The only way to have such darshan lies through love.

1960, Poona, Da p5-6

Krishna said that, from time to time, he came to protect his lovers. I am the lord Krishna.

4 November 1962, Poona
GM p369


In India everyone knows Saint Mira, who lived some 300 years ago. She was very beautiful, the wife of a royal prince in North India. He later became king. Mira loved Krishna with all her heart. Her husband did not like the way she was going about on the streets, for she was the queen, and queens did not mix with the crowd. She would enter the huts of the poor, the name of Krishna on her lips as she sang.

She suffered many trials and threats to test her love for Krishna. She was locked in a room, her food was poisoned, a cobra was concealed in a bouquet of flowers. She accepted all as a gift of her lord Krishna, and nothing happened, he protected her. She refused to have anything to do with anyone but her lord Krishna.

Finally the king drove her away. She said, 'If the king drives me out, I have a place, but if the lord of the universe is displeased, I have no place.' The people turned against her. As years passed, she looked radiant in her rags. Then the king came and fell at her feet... because she was sincere. When she died, all revered her, and now people repeat her bhajans.

I am Krishna. I want all of you to love me as Mira loved me.

1958, IS p64
bhajan = devotional song

Mira was a princess. She gave up everything. She gave up a throne, her whole life, all her money, to spend her life wandering and telling people about her lord Krishna. She never put anyone or anything between herself and Krishna.

May 1961, Poona, to Ann Conlon, Aw 22:1 p61

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